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--Edmiao 22:01, 22 April 2007 (MST) um. huh? manamana. de dee be dee de. manamana. dep deede deep. manamana!

I would define intelligence as creativity. I think someday you could make a computer that could have so much programming as to be able to respond to any input appropriately and appear to hold a conversation, but it would lack creativity. It could not imagine something new and bring that idea/thing to reality. manamana! do doo de do do. manamana. do doo do do. manamana! do do de do do de doo do doodle oo do doo de do.

--Jason 13:46, 23 April 2007 (MST)I think you have hit on an important distinction here. I am not convinced that creativity is intelligence, but I certainly think its an integral part of intellect. Its one reason why I am not sold on much of Jared Diamond; his contention that primitive peoples are (or could be) more intelligent as a whole than more advanced societies strikes me as clearly untrue because they lack what I consider to be the most important piece of cultural intelligence: innovation. If they had it, they wouldnt be primitave anymore!

But with the Turing test, it doesnt really hint at creativity at all. How can we abstract creativity? Really, in many ways it is reproducable. It will be tied in with the tags as I have mentioned previously. Its a main core of my thesis, just like humor. These things arise because of an ability to reference entries marked with certain tags, and then to create a reference in a way that is not standard.

For example, we find something to be interesting or creative (according to my theory) when it is presented as long as our mind sees the product and recognizes its equivalence to a tag previously generated, then the reference is recognized. Items are most profound when we agree with the generated reference yet it was not a reference we ourselves created. Its almost like a subconscious 'Oh, I hadnt considered that, but its totally true' reaction inside yourself.

I know this isnt perfectly formulated yet, but Im hoping to get it more concrete, which is why I made this page. I appreciate hearing your comments. They help me to think about these things more deeply.

--Edmiao 13:56, 23 April 2007 (MST) May I ask, from where does this interest in artificial intelligence arise?

--Jason 14:07, 23 April 2007 (MST)Its a combination of two things. I took a philosophy of artificial intelligence seminar in college and it was my favorite class ever. It really got me interested in philosophy, and that interest has only grown over time. The whole thing really came together about 2 years ago when I had this breakthrough thought about how I believe humor is created inside of us and why we like it. So when I spend time thinking about it, I might as well see if I can coalesce it into something tangible. Maybe that guy with the question marks on his suit can get me a government grant to write a book about it. hehe

--Edmiao 14:33, 23 April 2007 (MST) Interesting. (btw, some of your jargon makes it hard to read for the layperson such as me "tags" and "references". i get it but have to first say, huh? oh, i get it.)

On your primitive peoples: I have no doubt that they are innovative and intelligent, they just have a lower technological development than other humans. It would be incredibly difficult to compare their intellectual capacit with other humans.

I just skimmed the Turing test on the wikipedia and it seems like a pretty inadequate test for intelligence. it is a test of language and I don't think that the ability to use language equates to intelligence. It seems well within the bounds of likely hood that a computer could learn language and how to converse on any topic that you gave it enough data on. Likewise the same with people, we can converse intelligently on any subject we are versed in, but when you start to talk to someone such as myself about the nature of intelligence, I only spit out nonsensical strings of words in a vain attempt to sound intelligent. a computer could easily do that.

Where does the line between intelligent and not intelligent lie? is this intelligent? Is a bacteria intelligent when it uses chemosensors to direct motility towards food and away from noxious stimuli?

As to humor, perhaps humor requires intelligence, but intelligence is not determined by the capacity for humor. Imagine a culture that has no humor (like the vulcans in star trek; sure they are fictional but could exist); those people would not be defined as not intelligent.