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'''GABE:''' So regarding those powers like darkness for silence, did you want them to silence EVERYTHING, or just voices? Otherwise it could be used as an effective sneaking power! | '''GABE:''' So regarding those powers like darkness for silence, did you want them to silence EVERYTHING, or just voices? Otherwise it could be used as an effective sneaking power! | ||
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| + | --[[User:Brandon|Brandon]] 21:38, 29 July 2008 (MST) Useless blades = more lame. The best I understand it, from looking over some options with Ben last night, is that a Flash based silence spell will affect a subject, and only their voice. A Darkness based silence spell will affect a hex, and might effect more than voices. So, at least for now, I have to choose. The latter would be more useful for sneaky silencing (kinda), the former for stopping spellcasters. Either way, I won't have very many points to spends, at least at first. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] 08:11, 30 July 2008 (MST) you can buy darkness to be a larger radius if you want. but darkness to sound would also kill all sound in the area, so if you cast it on a guard, they would notice the absence of any sound. i think you cast darkness on a hex, but as a sneaky power you want it to stay centered on you. thus you may have to buy some advantage like "sticky" to make that work effectively. of course if you lack stealth you may kick a stone that rolls out of the darkness field.... | ||
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| + | '''GABE:''' I'm just saying if he wants it only to silence voice maybe he could buy it at -1/4 or 1/2. It'd be fun to do combat with none of us able to talk! | ||
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| + | --[[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] 09:33, 30 July 2008 (MST) that's tricky, i think the gm would have to look at flash vs darkness. you wouldn't want a cheaper flash out of a darkness power. but i guess darkness is a kind of flash to sight group anyway. but it's one you can walk out of easily. hm. never thought about those powers like that. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] 08:50, 31 July 2008 (MST) oh | ||
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| + | BEN: you can't have your dagger give you +1DCV when you are using it: it's a weapon, not a shield. Elves mature at the same rate as humans, they just live longer. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] 11:10, 31 July 2008 (MST) btw brandon, DC = damage class (do more damage), DCV = defense combat value. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Brandon|Brandon]] 11:13, 31 July 2008 (MST) Thanks. I was just about to ask that question. So, OCV means it hits things better, DC means it does more damage? | ||
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| + | --[[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] 11:31, 31 July 2008 (MST) yup. combat to hit: base to hit is 11 on 3d6, add attackers OCV- defenders DCV bonus or penalty. if you hit you do damage, dagger is probably 0.5d6 killing attack. adding one damage class would make it a 1d6 killing attack. i think that is correct. | ||
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| + | BEN: for killing attacks, the DCs are 1pip, 1/2D6, 1D6. So, a dagger does 1D6-1 base, and +1 DC would make it a straight D6. A further DC would make it 1D6+1, then 1 1/2D6, etc. | ||
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| + | [[User:Matts|Matts]] - A suggestion: If you're getting based-on-ECV entangles, think about Mind Control in the future, but in terms of limiting an opponent's movement, like "You can't come near me", or "You have to attack me" kind of stuff. | ||
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| + | [[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] that's interesting. there's no specific "Taunt" skill to make someone attack you. would be useful for a tank. can you do that with a Presence Attack? be like, "come and get me you wimp!" should actually be easier than a normal presence attack because it is in line with what they want to do anyway, ie kill you all, just in a different order. "remember when i said i'd kill you last? I lied." | ||
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| + | '''GABE:''' I actually thought of that power before, it'd work really well to make a tank character with that. | ||
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| + | Another really funny one would be extra movement and dex, but only to us dive for cover and only when defending someone. Just running all over the field taking hits, haha! | ||
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| + | [[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] awesome. how would you do that in hero system? let's ask Big J. | ||
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| + | '''GABE:''' So just cuz you asked even though you see how... the way to do your Spearline power could be two ways, as I can see it so far. | ||
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| + | One is just buy an AOE Killing OR HtH attack, only when using a spear (note, this COULD be a focus, but I'm basing it on your ability with any spear), Give the attack the AOE line advantage. Or... | ||
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| + | Spear Rush - As above except link a teleport on it that moves you to the end of the AOE line, must cross interviening space. | ||
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| + | To make it so you can't do it all the time you could even throw like Charges 3 on it, that recharge every day. Just ideas. | ||
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| + | [[User:Edmiao|Edmiao]] suggestion. might want to buy the skill "defensive maneuver" for 3 points no one is considered "attacking from behind" in combat. I forgot that Viho had this on his suit, not that it would have been in play recently. | ||
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Latest revision as of 15:48, 28 February 2010
The stone elf social limitation is that they may have no permanent settlements. In addition, stone elves have a very strong sense of the "guest right", because what camps they do have have a great deal of significance to them.
GABE: Your elf, cept with sword? http://www.privateerpress.com/WARMACHINE/gallery/default.php?level=picture&id=249
--Brandon 13:12, 29 July 2008 (MST) Hmmmmm, pretty cool. I'm still kinda partial to this, minus the stupid two-sided sword (anyone who thinks those are cool doesn't understand how swords work). But, either way, these badass pictures are aspirational. At the moment, all I have is a not-too-cool shield and skivvies. No cool armor or flowing robes or anything.
GABE: More blades = less gay
GABE: So regarding those powers like darkness for silence, did you want them to silence EVERYTHING, or just voices? Otherwise it could be used as an effective sneaking power!
--Brandon 21:38, 29 July 2008 (MST) Useless blades = more lame. The best I understand it, from looking over some options with Ben last night, is that a Flash based silence spell will affect a subject, and only their voice. A Darkness based silence spell will affect a hex, and might effect more than voices. So, at least for now, I have to choose. The latter would be more useful for sneaky silencing (kinda), the former for stopping spellcasters. Either way, I won't have very many points to spends, at least at first.
--Edmiao 08:11, 30 July 2008 (MST) you can buy darkness to be a larger radius if you want. but darkness to sound would also kill all sound in the area, so if you cast it on a guard, they would notice the absence of any sound. i think you cast darkness on a hex, but as a sneaky power you want it to stay centered on you. thus you may have to buy some advantage like "sticky" to make that work effectively. of course if you lack stealth you may kick a stone that rolls out of the darkness field....
GABE: I'm just saying if he wants it only to silence voice maybe he could buy it at -1/4 or 1/2. It'd be fun to do combat with none of us able to talk!
--Edmiao 09:33, 30 July 2008 (MST) that's tricky, i think the gm would have to look at flash vs darkness. you wouldn't want a cheaper flash out of a darkness power. but i guess darkness is a kind of flash to sight group anyway. but it's one you can walk out of easily. hm. never thought about those powers like that.
--Edmiao 08:50, 31 July 2008 (MST) oh
BEN: you can't have your dagger give you +1DCV when you are using it: it's a weapon, not a shield. Elves mature at the same rate as humans, they just live longer.
--Edmiao 11:10, 31 July 2008 (MST) btw brandon, DC = damage class (do more damage), DCV = defense combat value.
--Brandon 11:13, 31 July 2008 (MST) Thanks. I was just about to ask that question. So, OCV means it hits things better, DC means it does more damage?
--Edmiao 11:31, 31 July 2008 (MST) yup. combat to hit: base to hit is 11 on 3d6, add attackers OCV- defenders DCV bonus or penalty. if you hit you do damage, dagger is probably 0.5d6 killing attack. adding one damage class would make it a 1d6 killing attack. i think that is correct.
BEN: for killing attacks, the DCs are 1pip, 1/2D6, 1D6. So, a dagger does 1D6-1 base, and +1 DC would make it a straight D6. A further DC would make it 1D6+1, then 1 1/2D6, etc.
Matts - A suggestion: If you're getting based-on-ECV entangles, think about Mind Control in the future, but in terms of limiting an opponent's movement, like "You can't come near me", or "You have to attack me" kind of stuff.
Edmiao that's interesting. there's no specific "Taunt" skill to make someone attack you. would be useful for a tank. can you do that with a Presence Attack? be like, "come and get me you wimp!" should actually be easier than a normal presence attack because it is in line with what they want to do anyway, ie kill you all, just in a different order. "remember when i said i'd kill you last? I lied."
GABE: I actually thought of that power before, it'd work really well to make a tank character with that.
Another really funny one would be extra movement and dex, but only to us dive for cover and only when defending someone. Just running all over the field taking hits, haha!
Edmiao awesome. how would you do that in hero system? let's ask Big J.
GABE: So just cuz you asked even though you see how... the way to do your Spearline power could be two ways, as I can see it so far.
One is just buy an AOE Killing OR HtH attack, only when using a spear (note, this COULD be a focus, but I'm basing it on your ability with any spear), Give the attack the AOE line advantage. Or...
Spear Rush - As above except link a teleport on it that moves you to the end of the AOE line, must cross interviening space.
To make it so you can't do it all the time you could even throw like Charges 3 on it, that recharge every day. Just ideas.
Edmiao suggestion. might want to buy the skill "defensive maneuver" for 3 points no one is considered "attacking from behind" in combat. I forgot that Viho had this on his suit, not that it would have been in play recently.
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