User talk:BenofZongo

--Edmiao 15:36, 16 April 2008 (MST) deleted old chat.

Do you envision a world where the races are insular, and would not interact, or one where there is diverse trade and cross friendships. i would imagine that the player group would tend to be a mix of races. The idea of buying fat lootz with xp is nice also, one of the problems with dnd was that you find the vorpal blade and only one person can get it. then the other folks are kind of left low on the lootzing. would you allow us to "request" lootz to be incorporated into the sessions? like, hey i'm a theif, i want to spend xp on some boots of sneaking, can the gm help work them into the plot somehow, like on a villain, or would players need to commission them from some magic bootmaker, which would require added money. there's a thought, a big feature of high fantasy is gold, which converts into lootz. would you need both gold and xp to acquire lootz?

I think the roving ship idea with islands sounds interesting, similar genre style to gemini and space opera. Hopefully this time we can make a crew who have similar goals in life. I would suggest not smuggling, since that was the theme of both gemini and wfrp, and that as a group cohesive element seems to be somewhat lacking. I think Iggy is the only one with any interest in smuggling these days.

BEN: I am fairly certain I would not use the ship idea, because of the way gemini went. I would agree to it only if I had some assurance from the players that they would make an actual "crew"...I think for this game, actually, I would have the players meet in an inn, or some other classic gaming trope.
my thought for loot was as follows: for some super bad ass piece of loot, it might be pre-described. But for any other kind of loot, you as the player just describe where it is, or where you found it ("hey look, this mook was wearing some boots of sneaking, and didn't even know it [marks off chunk of xp on character sheet]! Zing, dibs!"). This eliminates the emphasis on looting, but still allows the characters to loot to their heart's content. It also incorporates some cooperative storytelling elements, which y'all know I love. If you have the xp, chances are good that I will allow your expenditure, although super-high powered items will probably have to come from a suitably high powered encounter...haven't thought about limits in this sense yet though.
As for the races, the world will be very classic DnD or whatever in its feel. Nobody is insular, whether racially or politically. Obviously, races/kingdoms have prejudices, but you as a player can go ahead and ignore those with appropriate background. If this turns into a bigger thing, I'll start posting some races: off the top of my head I've got: elves, blood elves, dwarves, wood elves, humans, orcs/goblins (with a persians/samurai feel), were-creatures, treemen/dryads, faeries, golems...possibly some reptilians or other more monstrous creatures as well.

GABE: Haha Ben, you update your page but there is so much I don't know what you did!

I'd like to say I'm very interested in the true high fantasy game. And would vote for it after werewolf finishs up. That said I think the hero system would work best, also, both games we had going would be using the same system. I love high fantasy but I don't like GMing it cuz then I'm not a character.

Also I'd really vote against spending exp on items. I mean why buy an item if I can just spend the points on myself? That way they can't be taken away like a magic item. Personally I think its odd for an enemy to have a magic item and NOT use it (even D&D says this shouldn't be done as villians are not that stupid). It just gives the game a different feel if the characters are allowed to make up items, plus it means the GM has to watch the characters very closely to stop power gaming.

Finding random loot, or any loot, is a major part of the fun for me in fantasy. Making up items is actually fairly easy for Hero anyway. I think exp points should be spent on your dude, not items, as it reflects your improvement. Plus it would slow down the gameplay, now instead of getting items that help you take on harder and harder enemies you have to save up to buy one. Know what I mean?

I made up a LOT of shit for fantasy hero, I mean I have pages, I'd like to show you what I did with them, even have a "level up" system. Also if we do boats, sweet, as I have a crap-load of paper boats from that wiz-kids pirate game. Also, we could use my item cards for the magic lootz.

--Edmiao 13:05, 18 June 2008 (MST) hillarious. gabe, on the "recent changes" page, next to a change, click the "diff" button. then it shows you what is new. then on that page, click the "next difference" button. jason, don't read the above what gabe wrote or your head may explode

GABE: Oh wow, I didn't know you could do that.... sweeeeet. Haha, you mean about the phat lootz?

BEN: I would also like to see the fantasy game become a reality. as for XP on items...its definitely up for discussion. If I used this system, I would probably make it that for "basic", non magic loot, you can make up what people have on them (ie, knives, armor, etc) as long as it doesn't violate what you've seen on them), but for special loot (ie high quality items, magic items, etc) the GM would generate it and then you could only spend points on it if you wanted what was pregened. I agree that finding random shit is more fun, so for anything nifty or cool it would be GM generated.
I would definitely use fantasy hero. I might be interested in some stuff you did, but I am very particular about making up my own game world and systems, so don't be offended if I don't use much of it. Your argument about items isn't completely correct: items will have the OAF and Independent disads, which is a 4x discount compared to if you bought them "on your dude". My main issue is that while lootz and rewards are a major driving factor for some players/characters, avoiding material goods (ie, warrior monks, etc) can be a big part of other characters and I don't think its fair for loot-oriented characters to reap disproportionate rewards from the game world. If you have to pay with points, everybody gets the same amount of benefit. Also, it means that if I have you fight a guy in platemail, I don't have to have a long argument with you about how f-ing hard it would be to a.) get it back into great condition after you've just mauled the dude b.) find someone who would actually buy it c.) that you might get 5-10% of market value d.) how cumbersome it is to lug around, etc, etc. Like I said, improving your dude with equipment is a.) much cheaper and b.) there's some benefits (HKA, RKA, Armor, etc) that you can only get with equipment.
All of that being said, its an experimental idea and I'm not at all set on it. If I didn't use it, I would be enforcing very strict rules on encumberance, trading/selling, etc.
but yeah, I was just thinking about sprucing up this idea because I do really want to run it. I wouldn't have a "leveling up scheme" I don't think. I'm happy to discuss any elements of it.